Firefox 144 will be last 32-bit version from Mozilla

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  • #185120
    Anonymous

      https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2025/09/05/firefox-32-bit-linux-support-to-end-in-2026/

      They say firefox-esr 140 will keep getting security updates for at least another year, but for regular Firefox the last version they’ll release for 32-bit is 144. We’re on 142 now, 144 is scheduled to be released around April next year.

      Older machines couldn’t use Firefox anyway as it has required SSE2 for a while now, and only the latest 32-bit CPUs have those instructions, but it’s kinda sad for those of us still maintaining a P4 (myself included) where it still works fine.

      Although I wouldn’t be surprised if someone besides Mozilla keeps figuring out a way to build it. Chrome dropped 32-bit quite a while ago but distros keep building chromium for 32-bit, and Pale Moon, for example, officially dropped 32-bit a while ago but Mx linux keeps building it anyway, so maybe distros like mx/antix will figure out how to keep building firefox too, guess we’ll have to wait and see. Even debian still builds firefox for 32-bit in sid for that matter, but I imagine they’ll remove it if it becomes a maintenance burden.

      I guess I’ll just wait and see, but thought that Mozilla blog entry worth sharing with others who might also be using old hardware.

      #185123
      Brian Masinick
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        Yes, we’ve seen some organizations continue to build browsers,
        so for those who have and use 32-bit systems, the wise words would be:

        1) hold on to one or two browsers that are currently 32-bit and work.
        2) watch out for the last places building 32-bit browsers and obtain
        updates from them.

        If you have Web browsers until 2026 that gives a year to make sure
        to have a browser you can save and keep.

        *** It also gives you a while to find an older, used 64-bit systems to
        replace your 32-bit systems; there are a lot of them that are quite
        inexpensive. I recommend that you start looking soon. ***

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        #185148
        sybok
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          It would be interesting to see if the support of FF-ESR 140 will be extended if it is the last one to support Windows 10 (EOL in October this year) as they did with FF-ESR 115 and older versions of Windows.
          That could keep the 32-bit builds coming.

          BTW, LibreOffice 25.8 32-bit builds are orhpaned but still available to download (with some manipulations of the URL; selecting the preceding 25.2 to be 32-bit the 32-bit version for 25.8 becomes available as well).
          32-bit is phasing out.

          #185157
          Brian Masinick
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            It would be interesting to see if the support of FF-ESR 140 will be extended if it is the last one to support Windows 10 (EOL in October this year) as they did with FF-ESR 115 and older versions of Windows.
            That could keep the 32-bit builds coming.

            BTW, LibreOffice 25.8 32-bit builds are orhpaned but still available to download (with some manipulations of the URL; selecting the preceding 25.2 to be 32-bit the 32-bit version for 25.8 becomes available as well).
            32-bit is phasing out.

            I think there is an opportunity for the right group of individuals to obtain the source code for Web Browsers, office suites and other orphaned software and find a way to build them. I’m not personally volunteering for this activity for a few simple reasons:

            One is that I don’t leave my equipment turned on, and I’ve also encountered difficulties building large software components on my laptops; they seem to have decent processing power, yet I’ve found them lacking “balance” when it comes to I/O versus CPU processing, and I don’t want to overtax them, since they’re all I have. As a “community guy” I’d otherwise be cooperative; due to my own limitations I’m holding the line with the ways that I do try to help the community. Hopefully there is at least one person, either in our community or elsewhere who will find it worthwhile to build stuff that larger entities no longer wish to continue supporting.

            Though I sympathize with those with old equipment, I can understand the diminishing returns on hardware that hasn’t been actively produced in quantity for a couple of decades. Project teams also have limited resources, and many are already stretched thin as an ever broadening line of hardware and software appears, so eventually something has to give. It is an opportunity for someone with the time and resources to give back to the 32-bit aged hardware community, however small it may be.

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            #187964
            sybok
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              Minor update: FF ESR 152 will support Windows 10 as well, i.e. I expect no extended ESR for 140 (as the last expected FF ESR version officially supporting 32-bits) https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-support-windows-10-end-support

              #198854
              grey_rat
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                #198858
                Brian Masinick
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                  LibreWolf 146.0.1 32bit
                  https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?t=952

                  Great tip!

                  I don’t know if anyone is capable of building Web browser source code or not; the availability of 32-bit Web browsers is going to continue being a problem. At least there is a solution for a while, provided the instructions are followed properly.

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                  #198866
                  Xunzi_23
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                    Brian wrote:
                    If you have Web browsers until 2026 that gives a year to make sure
                    to have a browser you can save and keep.

                    *** It also gives you a while to find an older, used 64-bit systems to
                    replace your 32-bit systems; there are a lot of them that are quite
                    inexpensive. I recommend that you start looking soon. ***

                    Please remember millions of computers are 32 bit, both in 3rd world and many other
                    areas. Many people can not afford to replace them and there are certainly not a lot
                    of cheap 64 bit devices around in many areas.

                    Second hand prices here in Germany have remained very stable despite end of windoze 10.

                    #198879
                    Brian Masinick
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                      @Xunzi_23 I’m sorry that many areas do not have access to inexpensive 32-bit devices.
                      There are an abundance of inexpensive 64-bit devices in my area, and in my case I didn’t have to purchase anything. Some people in well-to-do areas actually take them either to the dump, the trash on trash days or to a discount store.

                      I got some old stuff free when my brother in law was getting rid of his old stuff. But there’s plenty of similar stories around. A neighbor just down the hall from me got a newer laptop and GAVE me a perfectly good HP ENVY X360 because Windows 10 support ended. It’s a beautiful system. I helped set up their new system and we do nice things for one another; for example, I recently baked a Pampered Chef Almond Cake for them.

                      Too bad good deeds and sharing isn’t more common, regardless of where a person lives.

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                      #198880
                      Brian Masinick
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                        Speaking of sharing, I’ve either given or helped others with systems more than once, just as I’ve been the recipient of systems. When I was in Michigan I cleaned up and fixed up systems for a couple of people. I’ve done that less often here, but on at least three occasions I’ve either cleaned up cache or done various other pretty simple tasks for people with Windows systems that started getting slower. By the time I finished with them they worked fine, even with Windows on them. A few times in the past I’ve also custom built an antiX system with configurations matching their specific needs.

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                        #198895
                        enigma9o7
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                          I mentioned this in the 32-bit browser thread, but Alpine is still building Librewolf, and Void is still building firefox, and you can install these on 32-bit antiX using distrobox. Currently librewolf 147 and firefox 148.

                          #198899
                          Brian Masinick
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                            @enigma9o7 That is VERY helpful for those who still have 32-bit systems. Thank
                            you for sharing with us!

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                            #200662
                            Pongo
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                              The problem for some of us is not that we can’t get or have 64 bit hardware, it’s that we just can’t let go of our old 32 bit stuff. We might be hoarders… 😜

                              antiX 26 Stephen Kapos 5.10.240-antiX.1-486-smp on a Pentium IV @ 2 Ghz and 2 GB of RAM. 2002 Gateway desktop. 140 GB hdd has "/" and 100 GB partition on 2nd drive has "/Home" using IceWM de. Dual booting with Ubuntu 10.04 LTS on another partition.

                              #200676
                              Brian Masinick
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                                The problem for some of us is not that we can’t get or have 64 bit hardware, it’s that we just can’t let go of our old 32 bit stuff. We might be hoarders. 😜

                                Some of those old 32-bit systems, while older and slower, are also better built than most of the current generation systems, except for the really expensive ones.

                                I got rid of the last of my 32-bit systems before I retired because there were not very many distributions remaining. But the last 32-bit version of antiX I used was quite good. Fortunately I have found a few really good 64-bit systems from Dell, Hewlett-Packard and Lenovo; those are my go-to brands for Linux software.

                                I tried an Acer Aspire 5 A515-55 unit; the Acer brand is pretty good in price-performance but they have possibly the worst personal system’s firmware/BIOS of any brand; no wonder the cost is “low”; that’s a horrible thing! Where Acer seems to do pretty well, for those willing to use them are Chromebook models. I’ve had a couple of them and for that purpose they do a nice job. I picked up an Acer Chromebook Plus 516; without a backlit keyboard the keys have a pleasant action and the system works well. Of course compared to my other hardware it doesn’t get that much use because I’m partial to Linux in general and antiX in particular!

                                Best wishes keeping that solid 32-bit hardware working as long as possible!

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                                #200684
                                Pongo
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                                  Best wishes keeping that solid 32-bit hardware working as long as possible!

                                  Thanks! I’m surprised you don’t mention Asus. I was about to chuck my 64 bit ROG Asus G73jh 17″ notebook, (came with Windows 7 Pro in 2010) until I installed Ubuntu 24.04 LTS recently. It’s like I got a new laptop. Suddenly everything was possible again. I-7 quad core with 14 GB of Ram. It matches my Desktop Asus Maximus V Extreme which also has a quad core I-7 and 32 GB of Ram that I got in 2012, currently dual booting Windows 7 and Ubuntu. But I rarely go into Windows. Just that I have a need for Media center to regulate home entertainment system. I had a little Acer notebook once too. It was pretty neat, but I ended up selling it a while back. I usually sell my old pc stuff if I can’t do anything with it, and I was seriously considering selling the Gateway. But I am fascinated with AntiX on it, and am spending more time on it than anything! You’re right about the build quality.. It’s astonishing how heavy that little mid-tower unit is! I upgraded it with a hdd activity light and reset button which I put in a fdd opening cover back when I first got it. I never understood Gateway thinking that wasn’t necessary even back in 2002. I also got a good ATI video card. I only lately figured out how to get it to boot usb drives! I’m even buying a little dorm room style desk to put it all on so it’s more comfortable to continue tweaking..

                                  antiX 26 Stephen Kapos 5.10.240-antiX.1-486-smp on a Pentium IV @ 2 Ghz and 2 GB of RAM. 2002 Gateway desktop. 140 GB hdd has "/" and 100 GB partition on 2nd drive has "/Home" using IceWM de. Dual booting with Ubuntu 10.04 LTS on another partition.

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