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What is the method of installation for these programs.
Normally for .deb files that have systemd as a dependency you can make a directory with the same name as the deb package, minus the .deb portion, extract the deb file into that folder with dpkg -x *.deb ./pkgname and dpkg -e *.deb ./*pkgname*/DEBIAN/. Then in that folder edit the DEBIAN/control file removing the systemd components from the dependency list. Save the file. Then in the directory containing the directory you named the same as the deb file; run dpkg -b *pkgname*. After it builds install the package.
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