Robin
My dear JSM,
there are some things you should bear in mind when testing and discussing antiX.
1.) This project is not backed up by unlimited manpower like an organisation of the size of e.g. microsoft or canonical. But you will find here a team of highly engaged people doing their very best to help other people out volunteerly in their spare time. Moreover you will find behind scenes a team of highly skilled people creating and maintaining functionality like all the live persistent etc. stuff, which I did never happen to see in such a foxy, sophisticated way. Moreover they care for support of machines other distros won’t even consider to be worth their while to let them even live in their code.
Comparing all this to the manpower and means the result is simply great.
2.) Many parts of what antiX is constructed of are adopted from other projects (a very common process in linux world, as you probably know). So developers here don’t have influence on some decisions these ancestors make. Without manpower to re-code it in a special version for antiX it’ll simply stay as it is. Due to some design decisions of the “ancestors” in newer versions of their code antiX needs to stick to older versions of some programs, allowing to get executed on older hardware still. So you might miss some functionality you find in other distros. But this is the price of keeping usage of ressources at a low level. If you can’t live with it, this is probably not the right distro for your needs. But you should know: many of the heavyly ressource-wasting functionality can be invisibly replaced by more efficiently working engines at backend, so user won’t notice much difference on screen. This is what describes “lean and mean”. Sometimes a simple script is enough to replace main functionality of a heavy weighted software bundle only executable on brand new fast multicore systems.
3.) The bord is — as PPC has described impressively in his opening posting — a place to come together and learn from each other freely. And I sign his words about the borders of personal freedom. Here in this place people differently skilled share their time and knowledge to help other users out. Again, all of us do this volunteerly, and quite regularily it happens the person answering had to investigate the stuff before being able to give some hints in prospect to resolve the problem a user has. This is not a professional service hotline who owes you customer support. Even if we do make mistakes and are far off from providing perfect (or in some cases even functioning) solutions, you should compare the results to what professional driven hotlines nowadays provide. In this place you will not get a soft voice reading you out some readymade set pieces from a database. All this is handmade. And you will see: People won’t stop until your problem gets solved if you ask kindly and in an non insulting way even once having received a not useful (or even wrong) answer. As said before: we are all learning from each other here, this is the spirit of a community. And Linux _IS_ community. In case an interrogator realises an proposed solution to be wrong or has more knowledge about it already, he should freely express this by describing what he feels of being needed to correct, and why, explaining what leads him to the contrary opinion. This gives a base to discuss the problem target oriented to finally solve it. This is more as what you can expect from most existing professional help desks.
And now look at the way you’ve reacted yourself:
Well, as all of you can see, the answeres from the 2 people where just not helpfull.
So what? As you might have got from my scraggy attempts of explanation you will have to live with it. WE ARE NOT PERFECT.
And this is not the frist time! I am very good in testing…linux, browsers, swap methods…and also people.
Again, accept it or leave it. And being that skilled you should rather consider to back up our manpower than wasting time with meaningless chiack. Remember the spirit of community. Moreover, you might even simply file a bug, when finding it while testing. And you could — as I did myself — go on, taking the bull by the horns and starting to mend out critical errors found in some existing scripts.
It is very strange, that 2 people are not even able to give answers to a simple zram script, that everyone can understand, that has just basic skills. But as I told you, I am very good in testing, also people.
This is fine. If you consider the script in question as understandable to everyone, this means, you do understand it already. How come than you had to ask how to deal with some problems of using it? I presume, you did already know the solution, at least how to find it.
And please stop giving users missleading answers! With this you are waisting the time of the useres and also harm the antiX project!
As outlined above: even misleading answers are part of the process of finding a solution. Again: WE ARE NOT PERFECT. And even within a circle of highly skilled engineers you will see erroneous and misleading opinions, this is simply human. What makes all the difference: The way you react to this fact. They are trained to discuss all this in a professional way and this way sort out any kind of errors in the end.
And yes, I am a ingeneer for informatic (not computer since)
Fine again. This is best basis to step in and help other people out. Think of the spirit of Community. Again and again: Using Linux _IS_ community.
I am near 53 years old and I am not a stupid
Nobody said so (I do hope at least…)
anyway I can ask like a stupid in order to show up the people, that like to play around with stupid. Do you got the point? I hope so.
Well, here we have the very „true core of this poodle” (freely translated from J.W.v Goethe, just remember what this expression commonly stands for in German language, I’m sure you’ll understand. For all non German reading people: it translates correctly to „the gist of the matter“)
Please, DON’T WASTE OUR TIME BY SIMULATING YOU’D BE IN NEED OF HELP if this is not true. Nobody here is “playing around with stupid“. Don’t mix this up with some attempts to brighten up boring technical conversation by interspersing some jokes, or people playing on words. Take always into account these might not get understood in other languages, and thus be aware also you yourself might not have got the true intention of an seemingly insulting response from somebody trying to help you out. We have often seen the meaning get lost in translation. Understanding fun and humor in a foreign language is something you need to be skilled to an utmost high level in reading this language and knowing its culture to get its sense right. This is one of the most difficult tasks you can manage in a foreign language. Online translated texts commonly fail to transport the true sense, just like people not _very_ familiar with the foreign language in question.
Now, you may decide: Would you like to join and help other people out, best you can? Or would you rather stay where you are, trying to provoke volunteerly helping people? In the latter case, simply leave us. But in the first case you are welcome, even after all. Everybody should get entitled of a second chance, if he has understood finally how things are run…
Robin
Windows is like a submarine. Open a window and serious problems will start.