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Never heard about this OS before. When checking the average scale (instead of the short-period) at distrowatch, it has rank 27 merely, not that outstanding, but not bad either for a newcomer. So is it actually something which can be ignored? I don’t think so. The solution to the puzzle is, it’s a niche product, but situated in a really huge niche. This is a gamer OS. Since most antiX users are most likely no (at least no bleeding edge or hardcore) gamers, this might shift the perspective on this we have here, but you can clearly recognise a gaming-media driven hype (of which the OP is part of) during the last year when focussing the gaming scene. I guess this specific orientation is the reason for needing and deeply relying on systemd, since all what the big players on the gaming market want is: control over their users. Which is something hard to gain with antiX, which is built with resilience against a totalitarian surveillance in mind. Moreover, CachyOS will hardly run on old hardware (is there a 32 bit build at all?), so not suitable for many users here. It simply has a completely different concept and target group: While antiX is designed as an extra-lightwight, but still fully featured and up to date working station for everyday tasks and bringing back even multimedia and life to hardware already declared dead and written off for many years by the huge players Microsoft & Co, this way playing our part in the sustainable use of our natural resources and taking responsibility, CachyOS addresses the typical gamer who buys every year the next generation of bolide and resource-rich hardware on which all what counts is whether the latest game from steam will render smoothly and with light-speed. Privacy, informational self-determination and autonomy, security and optimised resource-saving structures are not on their agenda like they are in antiX. So is CachyOS guilty? Honestly, I don’t know. Let me try to explain. Since gaming is what counts for large numbers within younger generations most, this might easily be the future. See the chart among gamers. What we see here is simply a case of people voting with their feet. They want gaming – they go where they get this. Be it Microsoft or be it systemd. For them true freedom (in contrast to the kind of fake freedom fascist governments proclaim) doesn’t count. Already Caesar knew for good reason: bread and digital games is what rulez. What we are witnessing in our current society for decades meanwhile now is a modern-day version of ‘bread and circuses’, where (among other things) digital gaming serves as the contemporary arena for mass distraction, effectively shielding the machinations of power from public scrutiny, with the consequences of autocratic fascist leaders gaining power worldwide increasingly. This is not the antiX way. But we’ll have to accept people move there from our and other distros, like you can observe when studying the chart linked above, if gaming works for them on that distro, and if gaming is what they want most. There is a clear move towards specialised gaming Distros like Bazzite and Cachy, and a clear loss for all the other distros. I’m not convinced whether this is to be considered good or bad. On the one hand this might finally break the paralysing predomination of Microsoft in the PC market. On the other hand, wouldn’t this mean casting out the devil with Beelzebub, who is waiting in the wings to enslave or subjugate us once more? Or like Tolkien put it: “One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them.”
Windows is like a submarine. Open a window and serious problems will start.
cihan1321
or even a fan.
So why are you pushing catchy, not a fan just a influencer I guess.You answer
Why? Because it’s the most widely usedand up-to-date. It’s fast, agile, and seamless, easy even for a new user. Yes, I’m a technology influencer because I have a YouTube channel. The fact that the 3 threads I started are about Cachyos isn’t to defend it, but
because it’s the most widely used,
up-to-date, fast, seamless, and easy,Because cachy is most widely used.
In the west Ubuntu, Debian, Cent are the most widely used, in CN where Linux is the most common OS catchy is pretty much unknown.
I am pretty sure Mint has more users than catchy.So give us some real, not imagined figures that show catchy is most widely used linux.
And I do not mean because it is pushed to first place on Distrowatch both by bots and influencers..
Ubuntu and Debian were like that once, my friend, and of course, many people still use them. Mint is the same way; in fact, Mint is second in the world. Cent is generally used on the server side; normal users don’t use it. I know that Linux is widely used in China, but I don’t know which distributions are most used. Mint has at least as many users as Cachy; this is because many people switched from Windows, and Mint is used so much because it’s easy to switch to and resembles Windows, but I personally didn’t like it; it has a lot of shortcomings and problems. I’d rather use AntiX than Mint; it’s much, much better. I can’t give exact numbers for Cachy, but since I’m active on YouTube, other social media, and forums, Cachy is the most used on these platforms, and as you know, it’s also the most downloaded on Distrowatch. You think it’s due to bots and influencers, but I don’t think so. Prove it then. Admit it, you’re fanatic and biased. Therefore, I have nothing to do but respect you.
or even a fan.
So why are you pushing catchy, not a fan just a influencer I guess.You answer
Why? Because it’s the most widely usedand up-to-date. It’s fast, agile, and seamless, easy even for a new user. Yes, I’m a technology influencer because I have a YouTube channel. The fact that the 3 threads I started are about Cachyos isn’t to defend it, but
because it’s the most widely used,
up-to-date, fast, seamless, and easy,Because cachy is most widely used.
In the west Ubuntu, Debian, Cent are the most widely used, in CN where Linux is the most common OS catchy is pretty much unknown.
I am pretty sure Mint has more users than catchy.So give us some real, not imagined figures that show catchy is most widely used linux.
And I do not mean because it is pushed to first place on Distrowatch both by bots and influencers..
While Cachy OS has certainly received a lot of notice, you’re right, @Xunzi_23, a LOT of that comes from DistroWatch. I haven’t seen much evidence that it’s anything other than an attention-getter on DistroWatch.
Moreover, in my own experience, if you want to follow a SOLID version of Arch Linux, I’m personally much more inclined to use Endeavour OS than I am Cachy OS. While I had a nice initial impression of Cachy OS, it didn’t last much longer than my attempts to try out Manjaro Linux, though I’d say that Cachy OS is more worthy than Manjaro Linux, but if you are looking for solid reliability I would go very conservative with Cachy OS because I had no difficulties breaking it badly, not once but twice, and in the case of Manjaro, it’s done FAR worse, it more or less forced me into revamping and reinstalling one of my configurations one time that I tried it, and the next time I tried it I couldn’t even keep it running, so for me, the only “trustworthy” implementation of Arch Linux that I’ve had consistent success with is Endeavour OS. It’s like all of the Arch varieties, if you want to use it, you’re going to get systemd unless you personally re-engineer it otherwise.
So I say claims of reliability and stability are limited to using the most conservative implementation of Cachy OS you can find and then the cutting edge stuff is not there; seems to limit that appeal – and certainly that claim of reliability; the only Arch-based distribution that has appealed to me over a long period of time is Endeavour OS.
You see, I can (and have) beat many systems into the ground. That’s what I’ve done as a tester for decades; most of these would-be leaders don’t hold up very well.
As far as the mention of Linux Mint, I’d say they are more likely a popularity leader than Cachy OS too. They’ve introduced multiple desktop variations (Mate and Cinnamon as DE variations of GNOME) and LMDE – Linux Mint Debian Edition as a variation of their typical configuration. They’re not my favorites; that stuff is solid but full of overhead. I can run a functionally equivalent system that doesn’t use their graphics or precise configuration and shave between 100-150 MB off the size and the feel of my own custom efforts are quite a bit more nimble, so while I don’t object to others using them, they are not my preference either.
What we have in antiX hits right in the center of what I look for and because it has the tools I want, prefer and use, it’s considerably easier and faster for me to fine tune any antiX version than it is to fine tune any of the aforementioned systems which is a key reason that I’m such a huge antiX proponent.
Cachyos is definitely noteworthy. Because it has remarkable features despite being Arch-based. Yes, a large part of it stems from Distrowatch. I don’t understand why you think Distrowatch is promoting, inflating, and pushing it? I mean, why would they take sides? They publish and rank all Linux and even other operating systems and software on their websites according to downloads, etc. I think you don’t visit global forums, YouTube, and other social media platforms outside of the antiX forums, or you only visit them occasionally, so you don’t have up-to-date information. I haven’t used Endeavour, but I will try it. I tried Manjaro in the past and didn’t like it, but I haven’t tried the latest versions, so I can’t say anything about that. But even though I’ve tried many things in 4 months, I couldn’t break Cachyos, I even pushed it very hard, but it didn’t work. I’d like to know and try what you did to break it. If it breaks, I’ll honestly say it here. I also didn’t have any problems with systemd. I didn’t have any insecurity or stability issues. Because there was nothing that would shake those. There are the newest features, what are you talking about? For example, which new features are missing? I will definitely try Endeavour OS because you say it’s better than Cachy, and you might be right. If you write down what you did and the tests you conducted regarding completely destroying the system, I will try it and write down the results. I disagree about Linux Mint, but I think it’s second best, and that’s because it’s similar to Windows, and most people switched from Windows, so it’s popular, not because it’s very good. For example, I don’t like it and wouldn’t use it in its current state, even the latest version. Because, in my opinion, it has many shortcomings and problems. I say this because I’ve tried it. Cachy has more desktops than Mint, even more desktop environments. Regarding antiX, as I said before, antiX is very fast, even the fastest, and it uses system resources efficiently and minimally. Its features are not inferior to others. It has the necessary and sufficient tools. I haven’t tinkered with its fine-tuning much, but it’s probably as you say. There’s nothing wrong with defending antiX; it’s a Linux distribution worth defending. But being negative and fanatical about the others is problematic.
Never heard about this OS before. When checking the average scale (instead of the short-period) at distrowatch, it has rank 27 merely, not that outstanding, but not bad either for a newcomer. So is it actually something which can be ignored? I don’t think so. The solution to the puzzle is, it’s a niche product, but situated in a really huge niche. This is a gamer OS. Since most antiX users are most likely no (at least no bleeding edge or hardcore) gamers, this might shift the perspective on this we have here, but you can clearly recognise a gaming-media driven hype (of which the OP is part of) during the last year when focussing the gaming scene. I guess this specific orientation is the reason for needing and deeply relying on systemd, since all what the big players on the gaming market want is: control over their users. Which is something hard to gain with antiX, which is built with resilience against a totalitarian surveillance in mind. Moreover, CachyOS will hardly run on old hardware (is there a 32 bit build at all?), so not suitable for many users here at all. It simply has a completely different concept and target group: While antiX is designed as an extra-lightwight, but still fully featured and up to date working station for everyday tasks and bringing back even multimedia and life to hardware already declared dead and written off for many years by the huge players Microsoft & Co, this way playing our part in the sustainable use of our natural resources and taking responsibility, CachyOS addresses the typical gamer who buys every year the next generation of bolide and resource-rich hardware on which all what counts is whether the latest game from steam will render smoothly and with light-speed. Privacy, informational self-determination and autonomy, security and optimised resource-saving structures are not on their agenda like they are in antiX. So is CachyOS guilty? Honestly, I don’t know. Let me try to explain. Since gaming is what counts for large numbers within younger generations most, this might easily be the future. See the chart among gamers. What we see here is simply a case of people voting with their feet. They want gaming – they go where they get this. Be it Microsoft or be it systemd. For them true freedom (in contrast to the kind of fake freedom fascist governments proclaim) doesn’t count. Already Caesar knew for good reason: bread and digital games is what rulez. What we are witnessing in our current society for decades meanwhile now is a modern-day version of ‘bread and circuses’, where (among other things) digital gaming serves as the contemporary arena for mass distraction, effectively shielding the machinations of power from public scrutiny, with the consequences of autocratic fascist leaders gaining power worldwide increasingly. This is not the antiX way. But we’ll have to accept people move there from our and other distros, like you can observe when studying the chart linked above, if gaming works for them on that distro, and if gaming is what they want most. There is a clear move towards specialised gaming Distros like Bazzite and Cachy, and a clear loss for all the other distros. I’m not convinced whether this is to be considered good or bad. On the one hand this might finally break the paralysing predomination of Microsoft in the PC market. On the other hand, wouldn’t this mean casting out the devil with Beelzebub, who is waiting in the wings to enslave or subjugate us once more? Or like Tolkien put it: “One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them.”
Hello. Your lack of knowledge about Cachyos stems from not keeping up-to-date with the Linux world. It was ranked #1 on Distrowatch for a short period (6-12 months). It was also #1 in 2025, #9 in 2024, #30 in 2023, and practically non-existent in 2022. It has remained #1 for the last two years, rising from #30 to #9 and then #1 since its initial release. Its continued #1 ranking in the last two years cannot be a coincidence; you are mistaken. Furthermore, this isn’t just the case on Distrowatch; it’s also present on other social media platforms, YouTube, and forums. Therefore, it absolutely cannot be ignored. There are reasons for its #1 ranking. And I suspect you haven’t installed and used Cachyos for an extended period. It seems you’re commenting without having experienced it. Also, Cachyos isn’t just a gaming operating system; you can do everything you can do with AntiX. AntiX users may not be gamers. You and the members of the antiX forum evaluate other distributions based on antiX, so your perspective differs. Also, game support and tools aren’t only available in Cachy; distributions like Bazzite and Nobara also offer them. In the past, a major complaint from Windows users was the inability to play games on Linux. CachyOS, Bazzite, Nobara, and PopOS have changed that. Only Adobe software and games with anti-cheat features remain unresponsive, and this will likely be resolved soon. Valve is pushing game developers on this because they’ve created their own operating system, a Linux-based one, which will be released soon. Developers can’t ignore this. I agree about the older 32-bit systems; it doesn’t appeal to people with very old PCs. However, it does work on 64-bit PCs, though not as fast as antiX. Cachy is designed for everyday tasks and as a modern workstation, breathing new life into older PCs. I agree that antiX prioritizes privacy, access to information, autonomy, security, and optimized resource saving, and is designed accordingly. Cachy isn’t wrong either; they’ve figured out how to play games on Linux and are further developing it, which requires higher system requirements to play current games. That’s perfectly normal. Therefore, Cachyos isn’t to blame. Playing games is, of course, a very important topic, especially for young people. A large number of people play games. Just because you don’t play games doesn’t mean you can interpret this issue according to your own perspective. People are forced to play games on Windows because they are stuck with it, but now Linux has become an alternative, and I think that’s a very good thing. Windows’ monopoly will be broken, and those who are forced to will switch to Linux, and people have already switched to Linux since Windows 10 support ended. Linux usage has increased from 1% to 5%. And it’s not just about playing games. Linux is used for daily tasks and work, and there are also alternatives to Windows programs. Only Adobe software and games with anti-cheat features don’t work. But all Adobe programs have alternatives, and they are free. Adobe is paid and expensive, and has switched to a subscription system. This is definitely not the path for antiX, but I think it should also enter the gaming sector. Otherwise, it will only appeal to people like you. This would be bad for antiX if it doesn’t enter, it will only be limited to a certain group, and of course, this is the decision and discretion of the antiX developers, and I respect that. Microsoft’s dominance is slowly being broken, and I think that’s how it should be. Most people use Linux out of necessity or because they don’t want to switch to something new. It’s not because they like Windows or think it’s great. Microsoft even breaks or slows down its own system with its own updates. Unfortunately, when Linux distributions surpass Windows in usage, the things you mentioned will happen. This time, what happens in Windows will happen in Linux as well. Thank you for your comments. I agree with some points but disagree with others, and I’ve explained why. Have a good day, goodbye.
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